Rock Feud

Discussion (41) ¬

  1. Auntie-Aku

    Not really concerning the comic (which is just great), but, uh, is it somehow possible to turn off the music widget you have on this site? Not for everyone, just for me. My internet connection is bad anyway, and it seems to slow down the page download even more. And anyway, all the songs on said widget are off-regions for me, so I can’t even listen to them. ^_^;

    • Michael
      Michael

      Depending on what browser you use, you may be able to turn off plugins for pages of your choice. I use Opera with plugins set to ‘by request’ for all sites.

    • Megan Gedris
      Megan Gedris

      I might just take it off the main page and move it elsewhere.

    • Nic
      Nic

      Just download AdBlock (for Firefox preferably) and it automatically blocks ads and you have the option of also blocking things like the music player. It even blocks youtube ads before videos.

      • Michael
        Michael

        I prefer not to block all adverts on sites I want to support. Blocking plugins is a nice middle-ground because decently coded adverts that require plugins will provide an alternative display if the plugin is not found. Those which do not do this can only blame themselves for not reaching a large demographic which doesn’t have that plugin available for whatever reason.

  2. renegadeword

    I didn’t think it was possible to like Moira more than I already did. I WAS WRONG.

  3. Ollie
    Ollie

    Dave Matthews looks like Stanley Tucci.

  4. wutwut
    wutwut

    You know, I’ve been a fan of your art and stories for a long time, but I’m really having a hard time following this one. It just seems random, I’m not picking up on any particular theme. The art is amazing though, I like the style.

    • Amiee

      This one just started. A story is like a fetus, you gotta let it develop before it turns into an awesome baby.

  5. Gabe Puratekuta
    Gabe Puratekuta

    Wow, Dave Matthews… That’s… Good for you

  6. Nic
    Nic

    I’ve never seen a picture of Dave Matthews so I googled it and I think it’s hilarious how you didn’t make him smile since he wasn’t smiling in any of the pictures I saw.

  7. Amiee

    I secretly hope that when we get to Jackie’s birthday, the update will be on my birthday. C:

    • Megan Gedris
      Megan Gedris

      When is your birthday?

      • Amiee

        June 25th. 8D

  8. toffee pudding
    toffee pudding

    Augh please, PLEASE UPDATE!!!

  9. inkee
    inkee

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  10. toffee pudding
    toffee pudding

    well that might be a little extreme

  11. nephaline
    nephaline

    That may be how I feel because I love this comic, but geeze, that is rude and pretty much pointless.
    After the majority of readers voted for weekly updates, I really wish Megan had gone for that schedule…I found the flow of reading one page a week just fine. Just haven’t been able to get into LPFOS.

    • Dotcom
      Dotcom

      I feel the same way. What was even the point of that poll? She’s the artist/author. Her choice, but it’s a little insulting.

  12. nephaline
    nephaline

    Any fans of Meaty Yogurt might enjoy this comic:
    http://kathleenjacques.com/sketchbook/bandvsband

  13. Mishyana
    Mishyana

    Asking what the point of the poll was isn’t really an unfair question, but as always, this is absolutely, 100% free entertainment that she puts up for us to enjoy / for her to get her creative jollies / whatever. Much as the update schedule is her choice, whether or not to continue reading is yours, and not an especially difficult one, considering the availability of the RSS feed.

    That said, I’m not a fan myself of the monthly / “when I get a chapter done” update schedule for comics, and not just for my own selfish reasons. I argued against the adoption of this same sort of schedule on IWKBLPFOS, Yu+Me, and Meredith Gran’s Octopus Pie (who, after adopting the chapter-update schedule for a little while, shortly reverted back to a 2 or 3 times a week.) The reasons I argue against it are largely the same as Jerry Holkins of Penny Arcade put forth some time ago: if you want to have a successful webcomic & also build and keep an audience, the most primary, important thing is to have a regular update schedule and stick to it. Particularly if you’re trying to earn a living off of it. Given that Penny Arcade is unarguably the most successful webcomic *ever*, I think that carries some weight. People are generally very supportive of scheduling changes at first, at least until said changes have been in effect for a bit, then suddenly that particular comic’s bookmark gets lost in the shuffle.

    At the very least, I’d say it would be a good idea to maintain an update bar or, barring that, post occasionally to let the audience sort of know the status of any future updates. It’s been 2 solid months now since even a “Hey, here’s what’s going on” update. Even an “I’m putting MY on hiatus and concentrating on LPFOS for the time being” would be nice.

  14. Nephaline
    Nephaline

    Yup a status update would be nice. I also agree that a regular schedule keeps fans, and I don’t subscribe to an RSS feed and am very unlikely to.

    People are self employed for many reasons, but one is to be free to do things their own way. The decisions they make may not always be the best business decisions, but it’s what suits them and their life. Since this comic is free, the update schedule may not seem like a business decision….but fan support does bring orders for comics, buttons, original art….
    I’m self-employed and grapple with this type of stuff on a regular basis.

  15. avstron
    avstron

    Same here… I don’t mean to insult anyone when I say that if you don’t have time for so many comics or you just can’t go on with this one, for some reason (artist’s block, hate where the story is going, etc), just tell us!
    Or at least give us an estimated time of update (and if you can’t stick to it – you have 3 comics to tend to, that would be understandable – just change the estimated time of update for us to know), instead of leaving us with no comic and no news…

  16. Arth
    Arth

    I love this comic. Of course I’m craving for the next update :D
    but I don’t think: “oh, you should work at this schedule/tell us when you’re updating again/dance the rumba to be successful at this” are nice, nor fair, things to say.
    I’m pretty sure all Megan fans keep checking the website and/or the rss feed. Also, she keeps updating “LPTOS” ;-)
    My anxious, consumist, “fast food” mode of being of course would preffer weekly updates. It is the classic childish response to any thing we like in this culture: “I want it, and I want it now!”. Some people are so childish, that start to send fear messages to get them what they want (“I want it now, and you’ll fail professionally if you don’t give it to me”). But we all need to grow up, don’t we?
    I don’t think this comic has, or should have, the same rhythm than the others Megan wrote. That’s part of the magic in it, it’s unique. This is not about satisfying childish so-called “fans”, it is about creating a great story – and Megan is the only one who knows the time it should take.
    Meanwhile, we keep coming back ^_^

  17. toffee pudding
    toffee pudding

    June 25th anyone?

  18. Mishyana
    Mishyana

    @Arth: Responses like yours are, no offense, typical and as misplaced as always. I like MY, but it would be pretty sad if honest critiques could not be offered and the comment section was nothing but ass-kissery. Most artists I know get annoyed when people tell them nothing but how awesome they are.

    When 2 months have passed with absolutely no word at all, no update bar, not even the barest “Heya”, asking what’s up and suggesting that maybe, just maybe, this whole ‘whenever’ update schedule isn’t working out doesn’t qualify as childish. There’s nothing childish about critiquing leaving an audience in the dark just because you yourself don’t like it.

    That said, at the least she doesn’t ask for donations. Comics that go on a mystery hiatus after having asked for (and received) donations without so much as a word are pretty galling and worthy of real complaint.

  19. Nic
    Nic

    Well I think I give up on this comic. I guess I’m down to just Dr. McNinja and Cyanide & Happiness.

  20. Phae
    Phae

    I know this probably isn’t what you want to hear, but I think I’ll be removing this comic from my bookmarks. I was relatively new to your comic, and I know the comic itself isn’t very far in, but that’s why I’m not invested in it to wait so long for updates. I don’t like the chunk updates. I click through my webcomics each morning and read the new ones and then I’ve got other things I need to do. Not having a new comic from here for months is wasting my time when I click here to read and find nothing new,. Then when you do update, I don’t have the time to read 20 new comics. I have a few other webcomics that take forever to update, but I’ve been with them for far far longer, so I’m invested in the story, this one, not so much. I would have liked to stay because I like the art, but your schedule is just not working for me anymore. Sorry. :(

  21. nephaline
    nephaline

    MY is in my top 3 of the 15 or so comics I read regularly so I will keep checking. I’m in love with the characters and Megan’s drawing style.

    This is Megan’s creation but it’s not hidden in a sketchbook, for her eyes only…it’s posted for the public to see. She wanted an audience for MY, and has acknowledged that there is an audience in her comments. To keep the lines of communication going is the minimum many of us are asking for here, and I don’t think there’s anything childish about that.

    PLEASE Megan, give us some comment to let us know what’s going on, if it’s personal stuff…no need to go into details but I fans would like to know if you plan to continue MY and when you estimate the next comic will be posted.

    • Kiki
      Kiki

      This is exactly what it took m like 20 paragraphs to say below.

  22. Kiki
    Kiki

    So here are my thoughts;

    I have been a fan of, and a reader of Megan’s work for a few years. I have also reread her properties several times. As this is my favorite of her works, I am obviously very sad about the state of things here, as well as frustrated. And I have every right to be. When people say I have NO right to be disappointed and frustrated, because it’s “free” for me to read, I get quite offended. That is absolutely an UNFAIR and ignorant statement to make, and it completely belittles my valuable contribution – and the valuable contribution THOUSANDS of other fans make.

    When I take 30 seconds a day to load a page and scroll down to see if the comic has been updated, or a status bar updated/added, and then load the comments section to see if the artist has commented on her status there, I am paying the artist something very valuable:

    TIME.

    I spent two months checking this site daily when the schedule went to crap. (I don’t use an RSS reader and am not going to start just to keep tabs on one unreliable strip. That would waste even MORE of my time.) 30-60 seconds to load, visually scan for an update and look in the comments for info. Over the two month period where I was coming back and checking daily, this comic cost me at the LEAST a half an hour of my valuable time. Saying that it is “free” for me, implying that I am essentially worthless as a reader, is ignorant and disrespectful. By loading this site daily, by giving up my TIME to this artist, I am creating a chain reaction of several events that benefit the artist.

    I generate page views which generates ad income.

    I click through the ads regularly to support the artist.

    I share the work with my friends, link it on Facebook and my blog and send dozens of new fans this way. (All of whom begin to give their TIME, views, clicks, word of mouth, etc.)

    By simply reading and sharing I am creating MORE page views. More click-through. More EXPOSURE. The more exposure an artist gets, the more possibilities hey have for new advertising interest, for freelance commissions and work, donations, valuable feedback and for a stronger readership. ALL of these benefit Megan in a very positive way.

    I link 100 people. Those 100 people link another 100 each. That other hundred people link ANOTHER 100. Some of those links generate freelance work. More ad clicks. More tips/donations. More REVENUE. If you do the math you will realize just how valuable a single fan can be in the long run. One happy fan makes thousands more happy fans.

    Comics with regular updates generate happy fans. Fans look forward to checking their favorite stories and when an expected update isn’t there, it creates disappointment and negativity. I have 30 comics bookmarked and I know every single one’s update schedule. Even popular artists will tell you that a flaky update schedule negatively affects their viewership. I saw one popular creator comment on this very thing, and he received hundreds of feedback comments from his readers on the issue. The main hindrance he discovered to be affecting his comic-based revenue was the lack of an update schedule. Whether you believe that is “fair” or not, doesn’t really matter. That’s how people feel.

    The best thing an artist can do is be reliable, be communicative and treat their fans with respect. %95 of the disappointed fans would be very understanding if they received even the slightest acknowledgement of their disappointment and wasted time. Fans should feel RESPECTED. We are a very valuable asset and maintaining that goodwill does nothing but have positive results. Personally I am disappointed if artists have to take a hiatus, but if the artist acknowledges us fans; if they respect me enough to take 60 seconds to post a little note on their page, I feel x10 better.

    Anyhow, that’s my two cents. This comic is now in my rarely checked bookmarks folder with the other comics who have disappeared or gone on hiatus. It’s a bummer, but it is what it is. If she starts updating again, of course I will begin reading regularly. It is what it is. Personally I am glad people are speaking up. This is valuable feedback and it let’s Megan know what her fans and customers are feeling.

    Wow this got long. ;)

  23. Arth
    Arth

    In case the so called “ass kissery” in my recent comment was in any way offensive to the author, I sincerely apologize. I may get too overexcited sometimes.

    Still, I keep my opinion.
    Yes, I understand that once a story is “out there”, it doesn’t belong only to the author anymore. Specially when it is an awesome story, we all get attached to the characters. It mobilizes our emotions – anxiety, curiosity – so in some way we need some closure (even if it is a partial one). We have every right to feel sad/frustrated when a story freezes.
    What I don’t agree with are the ways some people tries to deal with this, trying to make the author feel shitty about it.
    It is not “ass-kissery” to give my oppinion: I believe that Megan does an awesome work – as an storyteller, and as a graphic artist. I don’t know how much time does she take to make one page of M Yogurt, but I’m pretty sure it takes a lot. Time AND effort – well, that’s what actually “work” means ^^
    I don’t remember right now how many pages did Megan post of this story, but I’m sure there’s A LOT of work in there. Is she being paid for this? I don’t believe the sponsors, or the donations covers for that. I also don’t believe anyone can compare THAT work, to the “tiresome task” of taking 30 seconds each day to click on the webpage and the sponsor’s sites (as important that is).
    Of course, money is not the only thing that provides satisfaction at work. To keep up fans, enjoying and commenting you’re work, feeds a lot. And yes, Kiki, fans should be respected! But still, it is hard for me to understand Megan’s delay to respond as literally “disrespect”.

    If it makes us sad that she hasn’t posted, or sent any news.. yeah, we miss her, we miss the comic. But that doesn’t make it right for anyone to act like her boss/supervisor/teacher, telling her “do this or you’ll be a failure”, etc.
    (I’m writing this about her, but the same applies to other webcomics)

    • avstron

      I think that asking for MOAR UPDATESS is a form of praise as far as it is done politely.
      No one has said here: “OMG U CAN’T KEEP UP U SUX!!!”. However, if she didn’t have other comics and websites updated regularly, no one would have complained I think.
      I’ve seen written on her tumblr that she has no time to dedicate to this comic: okay! Thing is… why doesn’t she tell us here? Just how much time it takes to write a brief post to an audience who loves your webcomic “hey I have so much to do I can’t keep up”? No one needs this comic to live, so of course nothing is owed, but it is deeply appreciated!

  24. Nephaline
    Nephaline

    I have mixed feelings, but that the artist “owes” us anything is kind of ridiculous and not something I agree with as a creative person. But some of Kiki’s comments about business are interesting…I assume the comic you are referring to is Hijinks Ensue? Joel is very present with his readers, ongoing regular contact and information about “The experiment”, and how his comic is supporting (or failing to) support him and his family is something he chooses to share. He also ASKS for feedback and criticism, not an easy thing to do. As I said earlier, self employed business people each have their own path, and there is a huge learning curve. Personally I know I could of been more successful if I had done some things differently, whether I’d be happier???

    I would never belittle the time, creativity and effort Megan puts into this wonderful comic. But when it comes to communication, it is simply the smart (business-wise), easy (is it really so hard to do?), reasonable and polite thing to post a line or two so readers know what is going on.

    The rebel(or child) in me immediately wants to do the opposite, whenever I am pushed…perhaps that’s what we’re all doing to Megan here?

    • Kiki
      Kiki

      I love HE. Joel has a wonderful habit of communicating and being generally candid with his readers. I admire the way he handles everything about his lack of schedule, his business, his interaction with fans. Even without the regular schedule, HE and Joel are the comic property I spend the most money on. I buy the shirts, the books, sketches at cons, toss money in the tip jar, link all my friends.

      This artist has been updating her Tumblr daily, as well as creating other art and comics. So it appears she is just ignoring THIS comic, THIS group of fans. She is not taking 60 seconds to post a line or two to let people know if this comic is even still to be active.There is really no way any of us can assume the meaning behind that, it it comes of as that she just doesn’t care.

      No one has been rude, or greedy, or insulting. No one here has acted entitled. I have seen only polite discussion, as well as an UNDERSTANDABLE request for information and clarification so people can stop wasting their time checking. Considering the role fans play in the long run, that seems to be a perfectly logical and fair query. Megan DID after all ask us how we felt regarding the updates. That kind of tells people, “hey, I care how you feel!” By completely ignoring that and discontinuing communication is going to create a lot of confusion no matter what.

  25. Tyler
    Tyler

    Well… I guess my opinion is… I follow her Tumblr, and she seems to have a lot of projects going on (Meaty Yogurt, LPFOS, Filthy Figments, secret projects that she can’t disclose for some reason, etc.). And I’m pretty sure she said somewhere (probably Tumblr) that the story flow is working better for her by updating in chapters instead of rushing to get regular updates done. I guess I don’t relate to everyone else feeling hurt about this because I follow so many Megan things that I’m not going through a withdrawal on just this comic.

    I have also seen much, much longer hiatuses than this from comics I like (Marry Me, AppleGeeks, The Meek, Hanna Is Not a Boy’s Name, Doctor Cat, MadWillow), so I guess two months is not a big deal to me…

    Once I like a comic, I start following nearly all the author’s social media outlets; even if the comic dies for a bit, I at least know what’s going on. All of these posts about people quitting on the comic and feeling disrespected that she hasn’t updated on the comic website itself make me realize not everyone is like me in that aspect…

    • feline256
      feline256

      ^Same here! I find much curiosity or frustration as a reader/fan is eased once the creator’s other internet avenues are explored.

  26. Nephaline
    Nephaline

    Since Megan has time to do all the other things you’ve mentioned, perhaps two sentences posted here is not an unreasonable expectation.
    Already read Yu+Me, don’t subscribe to Filthy Figments, don’t follow ANYONES’s Tumbler,Facebook page or Twitter.
    I’m not into social media or interconnectedness (bleah!) beyond having a small amount of contacts on Flickr.
    Have not been able to get into LPFOS.
    Quite a few comics I like have ended or have slowed to almost standstill, in most cases, the artist has taken the time to say why.

  27. Kiki
    Kiki

    It looks like someone asked Megan about MY via her Tumblr, and got an answer. Here is a link. Looks like there is still quite a wait.

  28. DearMegan
    DearMegan

    Dear Megan,

    Please come back. We miss you terribly.

    Love, All of us

    P.S. I’ll always check back.

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